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Michael Shellenberger talks with Nick O’Malley, National Editor of Climate and the Environment, Sydney Morning Herald

Environmental Progress

So you say that the 2020 fires burned half as much as the 2002 fires. I checked those figures and the figures that I can see the public figures in Australia are that in 2020, 18 million hectares burned, and in 2002 21 million. Nick: I mean, it's something to think about when you're advocating an idea, like, lifespan for nuclear power.