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Michael Shellenberger talks with Nick O’Malley, National Editor of Climate and the Environment, Sydney Morning Herald

Environmental Progress

The governor of Florida uses a definition, the governments of New South Wales in Australia use different definitions. So you say that the 2020 fires burned half as much as the 2002 fires. Michael: Okay, and I cite one scientist estimates there's 10 times more wood fuel in Australia's forests today than when Europeans arrived.